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[narnian]

Because I'm a fucking lunatic sob. What is wrong with me.

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This may not make sense, it's early here, too. D:

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

...dealing with HTML/fonts tomorrow, because they make me sad in the early morning. D:


AND JUST FYI: I LOVE ALL THIS COBB-MAL THOUGHTS AND THAT YOU TYPED ALL THIS AT 6AM.

Most of this on Cobb I mostly agree with, actually. I might argue the military connection thing, but I'd say he's talented and willing to take risks/try crazy-ass-shit (Mr. Charles, inception, etc). And "fallibly passionate" most of all--with Mal and with dreams and with people. Doesn't a lot of his extractor mystique come from this very quality? (Where Arthur would prefer to play politic, Cobb goes straight out and asks Saito: "What's the most resilient parasite?" and lists horrible, insidious things. He's not unaware of the effect, but his passion is carrying him along and he expects it to work on whoever he's talking to as well. That's how he sells Mr. Charles to Fisher--his own passion and confidence.) But these fixations--based in passion/confidence (heedless, dangerous confidence in some cases) are his downfall as well.

BUT, IDK, I still feel like we meet him at an awkward time. If I had met the passionate, trainwreck (literally) waiting to happen of pre-Inception? I think I could have really gotten into the character more. But as someone already so fixated, so intent that he's in these circular, purgatory-like mental processes? Hmm.

YAY, ON TO READING THE NEXT LARGER PART. AKSNLAKFA;

[narnian]

YES I just think they were Mal's downfall too. We know that she chose to forget so it's hard for me when people make him out to be the bad guy sob ;; lmfffff uijotklewsfdu9iojklefusoidjkluoeijfklsd I get into him because I know the charismatic predecessor is in there, that he wasn't always this way but I HAVE A THING for characters like that such as Peter Pevensie of Narnia sob SO >>

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

Maybe so. At the very least she's complicit, because it's not like he put a gun to her head. BUT he's easy to blame, because he blames himself?

I don't know, I still think if I had 'met' Dom at any other time, I would have been more into him. Unreliable, selfish narrator/perspectives do it for me, but idk asdjasks;adlk it's--I just--I can't.

[narnian]

WELL IT'S MORE LIKE she CHOSE to forget. He wouldn't have ever had to wake her up the way he did if she....hadn't done that |D so it's like DERRRR when people overlook that is all. I do not discount that he's in the blame, he definitely is but like I would call it half and half or we run the risk of victimizing and villainizing two people who were so clearly both......equal parts I think.

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

BUT BUT BUT

She "chose" to forget as a way of coping. And can she really be blamed in any way for that? If that's how you have to keep hold of your sanity? Cobb makes the opposite choice and selfishly tries to impose/force his view of how to deal with the situation on her on his own terms. That's pretty jacked up even if she was lost in her own head. SOOOOO, I'm not going to buy the 'she CHOSE to forget' argument. Not to VILLAINIZE him (because in the end they're both just a touch egocentric in a partnership that requires so much more of them both and it didn't turn out well for either involved) but it's not like choosing to forget is even rooted in a fault of her own. It's just I-don't-want-a-brain-of-scrambled-egg insurance.

[narnian]

Hmmm well I guess then it largely depends on how you define 'she chose'.

To me, it always meant that she chose to forget her reality - perhaps due to fear, perhaps due to whatever else, but the fact of the matter is in a situation like that? That was the wrong choice when you have KIDS up above. Be as afraid as you want but have the idk nerve to face the choice you made after staying in limbo for so long. >>;;;; I know that 'she chose' can be interpreted differently however so definitely to each his own.

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

" That was the wrong choice when you have KIDS up above."
But not everyone has the mental fortitude to just deal with an unspecified amount of time in limbo! Kids or no, if one doesn't escape with mental health in tact...what good would it be anyway? D:

The WRONG CHOICE was, if you want to get technical, when BOTH PARENTS decided to experiment with dangerous dreamshare TOGETHER. It's a part of that whole fixation/mutual integration thing. They were wrapped in themselves (as individuals and as a couple) long before these concerns.

(By the way, just arguing because I find this fascinating and I have fun with it. Not to be obnoxious or 'I'M RIGHT' about it. It's just interesting to see the different angles people think of idk?)

[narnian]

AHAHAAH SCREAM WELL I just if she had it in her to DECIDE to do that I just know for me that's a hugely wrong choice. Obviously she didn't escape with her mental health in tact REGARDLESS weep so it's like derrrrrrr.......... I mean again with the two of them experimenting, that's obviously wrong but that being a given - when we go down to limbo when we go with WHAT WAS WRONG it's 1. Mal choosing to forget (for me) and 2. (equal blame) Dom choosing to wake her up the way he did.

NEITHER of them were built TO deal with that because no one is, but I do think better choices could have been made but they weren't of course WHICH BRINGS US TO INCEPTION SO OVERALL I CANNOT COMPLAIN SOB I just with their characterizations especially I have so many nitpicks which I suppose don't fly overall but like I am equal parts ANGRY AS HELL at Mal and Dom and IN AWE of them.......both. SO >>;;;;



(NO NO LMFAO I GET IT IT'S FINE, SAME HERE IDK I think we should be able to discuss without worry!!!!)

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

I just can't see self-preservation as something for which someone should/can be blamed! And if she didn't escape with her sanity, I WONDER WHY THAT IS. I really can't make the jump to blaming her at all for Dom's decision to MESS WITH HER HEAD. I mean, that's just...really, really wrong no matter how it's sliced. So, if we're going to assign blame, I would go with: BOTH EQUALLY for experimenting together without safeguards in the first place, Mal for choosing to forget without Dom (independent decision making in a codependent relationship = always bad), and Dom for choosing to wake her by force through accidental inception.

Honestly, their whole relationship is creepy and awesome. I don't really have the awe that I probably should, but I find it fascinating. I don't really have that many nitpicks on their characterization, because I haven't really haven't read all that much that really explores there characters?

...which I should probably, you know, go out of my way to fix one day. D:

[narnian]

YOUR break down is my break down I think we are just also suffering communication break down. My tendency to want to EMPHASIZE that Dom is not the only one to blame is often the cause for this.


AHAHAHHHAHAHAHA WELL I JUST......I HAVEN'T read much. I have done a great deal of extrapolation however. It's mostly embarrassing how much.

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

isjdiajdsad you said EQUAL BLAME for the accidental inception and I RAIL against that. But yes, I don't just blame Dom. (Not that I can still take him seriously in just a canon/post-canon sense either, though, mind you.)

Most of my extrapolation has been saved for Arthur and Eames. Which, yeah, probably isn't all that unusual in fandom. It's only recently that I've been branching out to consider the others: I'm super intrigued by Mal right now and starting to get curious about a post-canon Fisher?

[narnian]

WELL IN FACT I did not mean for the inception I meant equal blame in the sense that they are both to blame for different things but in EQUAL shares. Does that make sense?


Mmmm oh Fischer the thoughts I have had weep. Just someday I'll slap all my thoughts somewhere. >>;;;;;

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

Okay, yeah, I can agree to agree with that. ♥

IMO, YOU JUST NEED TO DO PICSPAMS FOR ALL OF THIS. WANT TO DISCUSS DOM PRE-CANON OR FISHER POST-CANON OR MAL ANYTIME? PICSPAM SOLVES EVERYTHING. YES, YES, YES, PLEASE.

[narnian]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AHAHAHAHA OH GOD PIC SPAM FOR THEM HMMMM dom I can probably do Fischer my problem is his post-canon for me?

IT IS THIS TREE. LIKE SO MANY BRANCHES AND IT COULD BE ANY OF THE BRANCHES CAL HOW DO SHOT SOB SCREAM I MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TREE >/ LMFAIOHTK3EWY9GSDIOKU9TIOJEWLKSGD0U9XIOJKLTWE9GSUIJODU9IOJ3TEKFSU9DIJOXLK

BUT DOMINICK COBB........../steeples fingers

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

I'M JUST SHAMELESSLY THROWING OUT THINGS I WANT TO SEE. DON'T MIND ME. I THINK FISHER POST-CANON WOULD BE FASCINATING. BECAUSE YEAH, HE HAD ISSUES BEFORE INCEPTION. YOU COULD DO LIKE--A CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE FISHER-POST-CANON.

"DOES FISHER LOSE HIS MIND COMPLETELY? IF YES, CLICK HERE. IF NO, CLICK HERE."

kadskldasdsaldsa; It's not a secret that I adore your picspams, SO THE POSSIBILITY OF MORE, even a Dom one (kidding, kidding) makes me so PLEASED.

[narnian]

OH GOD FISCHER AT THE MERCY OF THE MASSES LMFAO SHRIEK IT'S SO IC IT HURTS AHAYIOHTKES DOH MY GOUIJTEKLSG GOD WHY DO I KIND OF WANT TO DO THAT NOW SHRIEK


AND WELL EVENTUALLY OF COURSE DOM WOULD INVOLVE MAL and I would give her her own time so :3333

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

"OH GOD FISCHER AT THE MERCY OF THE MASSES"
YES. THE WORLD NEEDS SO MUCH MORE FISHER, C'MON.

dkadlkfalkdal;sda; /obnoxious

[narnian]

LMEGSDUOIJKLESD you are not obnoxious silly fais lmesdjolk

/rolls around you in my hamster balllllll

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

I've spammed your poor post to 100 comments. THAT'S PRETTY OBNOXIOUS. D:

[narnian]

/..lm.,fe9uol HAAHFUOJWKLESODJKL I LIKE HOW BECAUSE I CLICK LIKE YOU KNOW SO THAT IT ONLY SHOWS LIKE 10 COMMENTS I DIDN'T....NOT...IC...E...JKLMEFSIDJOKOJIEWKFSDOPLKFSLDK

NO IT'S NOT OBNOXIOUS I love to talk to youuuuuuu as long as you don't mind talking to meeeee that is uoiwjklefsd9ouijlkruefopwjlksd

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHAHA. THIS ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE GOLD STAR. WHO CAN SAY NO TO A GOLD STAR.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't have stayed up until like FOUR AM OKAY if I wasn't enjoying the conversation ashfiasfjsa;

[narnian]

lmfsojOFIEJSKLD WE MIGHT BE ON THE SAME TIME ZONE I AM NOT SURE SCREAM TIME STAMPS WHERE ARE ......

the gold star /KEEPS THIS IN MIND FOR FUTURE LEVERAGE....

Llmfesd9uiojkefojkldouijklefoidsjkl I am presently trying to figure out the line between a romance angst that is TOO ROMANCE to be for team angst sob or vice versa LINE WHY SO HARD TO WALK.....

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

I think you're just slightly ahead of me? I'm a California girl, so PST. 8D;

LEVERAGE IS SO EASY WITH ME, SERIOUSLY. I JSUT. I'M EASY. If only there were something to leverage for.

Angst/Romance is pretty debatable? There have been angsty romance pieces and vice versa? I THINK so long asyou can argue that the TONE is angsty or that it has an agnsty end or ffs an ANGSTY MOMENT you're okay? (But if you need someone to look something over, I can do that. OR IS THAT CROSS-TEAM ASSOCIATION AND BANNED IDK.)

[narnian]

lmfsdijkl OH RIGHTO THEN LMFFF SHRIEK I AM IN THE SORT OF FUTURE...............................................


AHAAHHIHOKTEWFSUDOIJKLOJEKLSFD I am easy too sob 8C TEAM EASY? SOUNDS....W-WRONG.......


Ajlkmesfojidkl SEE THAT'S THE THING it DOESN'T have an angsty end this time :/ which I know is not required for angst but the angst I do tends to be quiet rather than gripping or with a bang or even visceral IDK I'd even borderline call it boring but quiet sounds better :/ sob ojkmlefisjdkl,

/CONSIDERS THIS MORE

I AM NOT SURE ABOUT CROSS-TEAM HELPING BUT IDK it's not like we're writing stuff for each other so IDK why there would be any problem with it \o


/RUBS CHIN SOME MORE, ADJUSTS MONOCLE

[dialectical.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHA RESISTING NAMING THIS THREAD 'TEAM EASY' BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND SO WRONG. BUT. SO AMUSED.

Hmmmm, well, I don't see a problem with it? I'm practically a Team Angst mole anyway. No pressure/expectation, but if you ever need/want/etc. I can cheerlead/validate/beta as needed so if you ever want, you can just send anything to dialectical at livejournal dot com or throw it up in Google Docs. ♥

NOT THAT YOU NEED TO. OR WHATEVER. IT'S JUST AN OFFER, BECAUSE I CAN NEVER RESIST OFFERING HELP TO LOVELY PEOPLE.